My late father would never buy a Ford because of this, decades after Henry was dead. We have to do the same to Musk: no Teslas, no Twitter, no Starlink, nothing that he touches.
“Ford gave a fleet of vehicles and one million USD for Trump's inauguration. Are you suggesting that buying Fords supports Trump, and by extension Elon Musk?”
They did that after Trump was elected in order to avoid tariffs and regulatory changes that could destroy the company.
Musk doesn’t just donate to fascist bigots, he spreads bigotry and hate on his platform. He’s destroyed institutions capable of pushing back against on his views and is solely responsible for Trump’s election.
I don’t judge anyone for driving a an older Tesla. They didn’t know just how evil Musk is, he pretended to be a different person. But a new Tesla? I assume the owner is a bad person with rancid ideals. And I feel a little sorry for them for driving a death trap that locks the doors and cuts power in an accident.
I don't know a single soul who drives a Tesla who supports Elon Musk's bigotry and hate. What they don't support, is the American empire envisaged by Donald Trump: the takeover of Greenland by force if necessary, and the annexation of Canada as the 51st state. Or the fixation on blaming Zelenskyy for Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Anyone who bought a F-150 should not be judged whether they took possession before Trump took office, or after he made it clear that Greenland is in his sights in the near future and Canada down the road. The people I know who drive F-150s have the same values as outlined in the first paragraph.
With respect to the comment about locked doors, that is an anti -EV trope that has been circulating on mostly right-wing forums ever since the first Tesla appeared. By law, all cars sold in Canada must have mechanical door latches, and I will make the very reasonable assumption that it holds true in the US.
Yes, by all means buy whatever you want. I will not judge you for your choice. If your position is actually an anti - EV stance (death trap comment), dressed up under the guise of racial equality, you should be really be worried by the likes of BYD, Geely, SAIC, Chery and MG. Sales of Chinese EVs exploded in Mexico in 2025 and as of today, the PM of Canada opened the door to Chinese EVs in Canada by the reduction of tariffs to an insignificant rate.
Driving a Tesla supports his bigotry and hate *financially.* Doesn’t matter what the views of the owner are, though it does suggest that hate and bigotry aren’t dealbreakers for them.
There is a difference between driving a Tesla and supporting Elon Musk. The same thing with someone driving a Ford F-150 and supporting the ideals of Henry Ford.
You are right that Henry Ford died generations ago. While his anti semitic views were eventually muted, it wasn't because people stopped buying Fords.
There have been many different arguments put forward for not buying Electric Vehicles in general and Tesla’s in particular here in Canada. I have heard the whole gambit, from supporting the enslavement of seven-year-olds in the Congo to mine rare earth minerals, to the poisoning of the earth because EV batteries die after three or four years and are then buried in the ground. For the Freedom Convoy crowd, EVs, (mainly Tesla here in Canada) were being forced down Canadian throats by the likes of Justin Trudeau and Chrystia Freeland.
Here in Canada, from my observations, South and East Asian Canadians are disproportionate buyers of Tesla EVs. Hardly a resounding argument that buying a Tesla equates supports racism.
Ford gave a fleet of vehicles and one million USD for Trump's inauguration. Are you suggesting that buying Fords supports Trump, and by extension Elon Musk?
If Tesla does go the way of Studebaker, it won't because of boycotts demanded by those on the left or right. It will because BYD, Geely, Chery and a host of Chinese EV manufactures are ramping up and they are not slowing down. As I write this post the Prime Minister of Canada is in Bejing right now discussing this very topic. I don’t have any inside information on what will transpire, but if the Chinese have their way, Ford, GM, Stellantis and Tesla better up their game if they want to stay in business in Canada.
In closing, I'm saying the same thing to you as I did to the Freedom Convoy crowd, if you want to buy or not buy a Tesla or F-150, you are free to make that choice. And I don't think you should be judged for your choice.
Am I the only one terrified of Elon Musk’s robot army? Not because they’ll kill us, but because you know he’s going to give them a “Fart Mode.”
Imagine being trapped in an elevator with a T-800 that just ripped a silent-but-deadly one. You’re choking on the air, and the robot just locks eyes with you and says: “The fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy.”
Canadians aren't exactly lining up to criticIze Musk either, and the federal government is explicitly refusing to deal with child porn on X. So what does that say about Canada?
The politics are brutal. Ban X and Musk becomes a martyr (still with a global microphone), the crazies are handed a golden propaganda tool they can use to further radicalize conservatives, and the Trump regime has an excuse to pose as a champion of freedom while hammering liberal democracies with tariffs or god knows what (all while crushing free speech in a dozen far more consequential ways.) We piecemealed our way to this awful situation. We have to stop piecemealing and start acting strategically.
I don't disagree. I just think there's a double standard here. When Americans don't speak out, they're corrupt or cowards. But when Canadians don't, we're being strategic.
Sure there's a big difference between a financier or a CEO or a public intellectual or whoever speaking out about a well-established fact and a government implementing a national policy. And on the former, I would very much include Canadian financiers, etc. Anyone, really, who has dealings with him. I say "what does it say about the United States" because he's American, his businesses are American, and it is America, for good or ill, that will determine his fate.
Powerful comparison with Ford. The detail about the Glock and Dylann Roof's Rhodesia obsession grounds this in real conseqences, not just tweets. What sruck me is how Ford eventually faced consequences even in the 1920s when racism was mor mainstream, yet Musk keeps gaining influence. Wonder if the difference is that Ford's newspaper reach was limited geographically but X amplifies globally in realtime.
The only effective weapon we have as individuals right now is our money. Boycott any business entity that supports American fascism: uber, twitter/X, instagram, fb, Amazon….the whole nine yards. Move your buckage out of Scotiabank while you’re at it. Doesn’t have to be loud or pushy. Just do it the way we get through winter: quietly and relentlessly and effectively.
The distinction you draw between specific ideological labels and general behavior is a massive sticking point in Ottawa right now. We are seeing this exact friction with the Online Harms Bill (Bill C-63) where the government is trying to legislate a definition of "hatred" for platforms like X. The Justice Committee transcripts show MPs and experts going in circles trying to write a legal test that captures the behavior you describe without overreaching. If lawmakers cannot write a clear definition in a bill, we cannot expect regulators to successfully enforce one.
I receive daily reports from Heather Cos Richardson, who you no doubt are aware of, about fascism and the connections to Trump. Her recent substack entry has emboldened me to forward hers to about a dozen friends, which they call 'chilling' reports. One has put her comments on Facebook. I use no Social Media. That said, I have passed on your report of last March 'Is it fascism?' and yours of last week to my one friend. We have to all keep passing on these messages until we are heard.
I read the biography of Fords years ago. One of the most fascinating facts is that he offered equal pay to black workers. Regarding his lunatic jew hatred he had a friend who was a Rabbi, to whom he would gift a car annually. Ford was genuinely bemused when the Rabbi said that he could no longer accept them. The epitome of 'but I don't mean YOU!'
Yes. Ford was a great example of how bigotry not driven by simple ideology -- which is most bigotry -- can manifest in bizarre ways. By the standards of his time, he was remarkably liberal in his attitude toward blacks, who were the most reviled group. But he hated Jews and couldn't be budged, by reason or experience.
Musk is a drug-addled, racist wunderkind who has made an enormous net positive contribution to humanity; all of which the left welcomed with open arms until they discovered that Musk is a rightist monster and, OMG, friend of Donald Trump.
Take Starlink - without it there would be many more dead Ukrainians and the current blackout of Iran would be utterly impenetrable. Or SpaceX - the international space station would be host to the rotting corpses of NASA astronauts without their technology and rescue mission. Teslas were supposed to be the solution to the death of the planet due to climate change - until people decided to start burning them because they don't like Musk.
Those that want to reflexively crush anything associated with Musk are missing the point and quite willing to see others suffer to augment their leftist bonafides.
I don't think that's your position Dan - you want to shame Musk into changing ala Henry Ford. A noble strategy that will likely fail, as he's pretty much shameless.
And thanks for engaging with us here in the comments. It adds a lot to the conversation.
My late father would never buy a Ford because of this, decades after Henry was dead. We have to do the same to Musk: no Teslas, no Twitter, no Starlink, nothing that he touches.
“Ford gave a fleet of vehicles and one million USD for Trump's inauguration. Are you suggesting that buying Fords supports Trump, and by extension Elon Musk?”
They did that after Trump was elected in order to avoid tariffs and regulatory changes that could destroy the company.
Musk doesn’t just donate to fascist bigots, he spreads bigotry and hate on his platform. He’s destroyed institutions capable of pushing back against on his views and is solely responsible for Trump’s election.
I don’t judge anyone for driving a an older Tesla. They didn’t know just how evil Musk is, he pretended to be a different person. But a new Tesla? I assume the owner is a bad person with rancid ideals. And I feel a little sorry for them for driving a death trap that locks the doors and cuts power in an accident.
I don't know a single soul who drives a Tesla who supports Elon Musk's bigotry and hate. What they don't support, is the American empire envisaged by Donald Trump: the takeover of Greenland by force if necessary, and the annexation of Canada as the 51st state. Or the fixation on blaming Zelenskyy for Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Anyone who bought a F-150 should not be judged whether they took possession before Trump took office, or after he made it clear that Greenland is in his sights in the near future and Canada down the road. The people I know who drive F-150s have the same values as outlined in the first paragraph.
With respect to the comment about locked doors, that is an anti -EV trope that has been circulating on mostly right-wing forums ever since the first Tesla appeared. By law, all cars sold in Canada must have mechanical door latches, and I will make the very reasonable assumption that it holds true in the US.
Yes, by all means buy whatever you want. I will not judge you for your choice. If your position is actually an anti - EV stance (death trap comment), dressed up under the guise of racial equality, you should be really be worried by the likes of BYD, Geely, SAIC, Chery and MG. Sales of Chinese EVs exploded in Mexico in 2025 and as of today, the PM of Canada opened the door to Chinese EVs in Canada by the reduction of tariffs to an insignificant rate.
Yep, all those black, brown, yellow people driving Teslas around the world must be filled with self loathing. I'll let you have the last word.
Driving a Tesla supports his bigotry and hate *financially.* Doesn’t matter what the views of the owner are, though it does suggest that hate and bigotry aren’t dealbreakers for them.
There is a difference between driving a Tesla and supporting Elon Musk. The same thing with someone driving a Ford F-150 and supporting the ideals of Henry Ford.
Henry Ford died generations ago and the Ford family has denounced his antisemitism.
Buy a Tesla today and it directly supports Musk’s power and influence. Same when you use Xchan.
You are right that Henry Ford died generations ago. While his anti semitic views were eventually muted, it wasn't because people stopped buying Fords.
There have been many different arguments put forward for not buying Electric Vehicles in general and Tesla’s in particular here in Canada. I have heard the whole gambit, from supporting the enslavement of seven-year-olds in the Congo to mine rare earth minerals, to the poisoning of the earth because EV batteries die after three or four years and are then buried in the ground. For the Freedom Convoy crowd, EVs, (mainly Tesla here in Canada) were being forced down Canadian throats by the likes of Justin Trudeau and Chrystia Freeland.
Here in Canada, from my observations, South and East Asian Canadians are disproportionate buyers of Tesla EVs. Hardly a resounding argument that buying a Tesla equates supports racism.
Ford gave a fleet of vehicles and one million USD for Trump's inauguration. Are you suggesting that buying Fords supports Trump, and by extension Elon Musk?
If Tesla does go the way of Studebaker, it won't because of boycotts demanded by those on the left or right. It will because BYD, Geely, Chery and a host of Chinese EV manufactures are ramping up and they are not slowing down. As I write this post the Prime Minister of Canada is in Bejing right now discussing this very topic. I don’t have any inside information on what will transpire, but if the Chinese have their way, Ford, GM, Stellantis and Tesla better up their game if they want to stay in business in Canada.
In closing, I'm saying the same thing to you as I did to the Freedom Convoy crowd, if you want to buy or not buy a Tesla or F-150, you are free to make that choice. And I don't think you should be judged for your choice.
Am I the only one terrified of Elon Musk’s robot army? Not because they’ll kill us, but because you know he’s going to give them a “Fart Mode.”
Imagine being trapped in an elevator with a T-800 that just ripped a silent-but-deadly one. You’re choking on the air, and the robot just locks eyes with you and says: “The fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy.”
Musk belongs in prison for so many reasons.
As does Trump and some of his minions like Steven Miller and Kristi Noem.
Canadians aren't exactly lining up to criticIze Musk either, and the federal government is explicitly refusing to deal with child porn on X. So what does that say about Canada?
The politics are brutal. Ban X and Musk becomes a martyr (still with a global microphone), the crazies are handed a golden propaganda tool they can use to further radicalize conservatives, and the Trump regime has an excuse to pose as a champion of freedom while hammering liberal democracies with tariffs or god knows what (all while crushing free speech in a dozen far more consequential ways.) We piecemealed our way to this awful situation. We have to stop piecemealing and start acting strategically.
I don't disagree. I just think there's a double standard here. When Americans don't speak out, they're corrupt or cowards. But when Canadians don't, we're being strategic.
Sure there's a big difference between a financier or a CEO or a public intellectual or whoever speaking out about a well-established fact and a government implementing a national policy. And on the former, I would very much include Canadian financiers, etc. Anyone, really, who has dealings with him. I say "what does it say about the United States" because he's American, his businesses are American, and it is America, for good or ill, that will determine his fate.
Powerful comparison with Ford. The detail about the Glock and Dylann Roof's Rhodesia obsession grounds this in real conseqences, not just tweets. What sruck me is how Ford eventually faced consequences even in the 1920s when racism was mor mainstream, yet Musk keeps gaining influence. Wonder if the difference is that Ford's newspaper reach was limited geographically but X amplifies globally in realtime.
The only effective weapon we have as individuals right now is our money. Boycott any business entity that supports American fascism: uber, twitter/X, instagram, fb, Amazon….the whole nine yards. Move your buckage out of Scotiabank while you’re at it. Doesn’t have to be loud or pushy. Just do it the way we get through winter: quietly and relentlessly and effectively.
The distinction you draw between specific ideological labels and general behavior is a massive sticking point in Ottawa right now. We are seeing this exact friction with the Online Harms Bill (Bill C-63) where the government is trying to legislate a definition of "hatred" for platforms like X. The Justice Committee transcripts show MPs and experts going in circles trying to write a legal test that captures the behavior you describe without overreaching. If lawmakers cannot write a clear definition in a bill, we cannot expect regulators to successfully enforce one.
Thanks. I don't know a lot about Musk, but I now know all I need to.
I’m quite happy to say he needs to fuck orf back to South Africa.
Part of the Paypal mafia.
Even if I were to pretend that he didn’t hack the Kamala/Trump election… he has Starlink, and he pretends to care about free speech.
Then fly Starlibk over North Korea.
Give all the population of North Korea free Trump Phones.
Moron Muskrat is full of shit.
And anyone who payed a deposit on a Trump Phone eats that shit.
And this is the REAL QAnon.
Rhetorical question?
I receive daily reports from Heather Cos Richardson, who you no doubt are aware of, about fascism and the connections to Trump. Her recent substack entry has emboldened me to forward hers to about a dozen friends, which they call 'chilling' reports. One has put her comments on Facebook. I use no Social Media. That said, I have passed on your report of last March 'Is it fascism?' and yours of last week to my one friend. We have to all keep passing on these messages until we are heard.
I read the biography of Fords years ago. One of the most fascinating facts is that he offered equal pay to black workers. Regarding his lunatic jew hatred he had a friend who was a Rabbi, to whom he would gift a car annually. Ford was genuinely bemused when the Rabbi said that he could no longer accept them. The epitome of 'but I don't mean YOU!'
Yes. Ford was a great example of how bigotry not driven by simple ideology -- which is most bigotry -- can manifest in bizarre ways. By the standards of his time, he was remarkably liberal in his attitude toward blacks, who were the most reviled group. But he hated Jews and couldn't be budged, by reason or experience.
Yes likely the case
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Musk is a drug-addled, racist wunderkind who has made an enormous net positive contribution to humanity; all of which the left welcomed with open arms until they discovered that Musk is a rightist monster and, OMG, friend of Donald Trump.
Take Starlink - without it there would be many more dead Ukrainians and the current blackout of Iran would be utterly impenetrable. Or SpaceX - the international space station would be host to the rotting corpses of NASA astronauts without their technology and rescue mission. Teslas were supposed to be the solution to the death of the planet due to climate change - until people decided to start burning them because they don't like Musk.
Those that want to reflexively crush anything associated with Musk are missing the point and quite willing to see others suffer to augment their leftist bonafides.
Who are you including in “those”?
The most-liked comment on this board for one.
I don't think that's your position Dan - you want to shame Musk into changing ala Henry Ford. A noble strategy that will likely fail, as he's pretty much shameless.
And thanks for engaging with us here in the comments. It adds a lot to the conversation.
There is something very odd about a white south african calling for remigration.