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Jon Abrams's avatar

Did Angell's opinion change when nukes entered the picture? The main argument for America/EU holding back is risking escalation. But I imagine it's a similar argument… why risk nuclear war over a non-NATO country like Ukraine?

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Russil Wvong's avatar

Wait wait wait. Isn't the logic of Angell's argument (in particular his mention of the Japanese invasion of Manchuria and China) that the West - Poland, Germany, France, Britain, the United States, Canada - should be fighting Russia for Ukraine's independence right now? Isn't this the fallacy of the harmony of interests taken from a different angle, not just that it'd be irrational and immoral for a country to attack another, but that it'd be rational for all countries to respond by going to war with the aggressor? (See E. H. Carr, "The Twenty Years' Crisis 1919-1939.")

The actual Western response is to (1) raise the costs to Russia, through strong sanctions and through military aid to Ukraine, and (2) humanitarian assistance to the millions of refugees who have fled. But we're not following Angell's view.

Certainly it makes sense that countries seek alliances to defend against threats, but that's different from what Angell is saying, which is (if I understand correctly) that a threat to any one country is a threat to all other countries, and thus that there's a natural alliance between them. This is the mistaken reasoning on which the League of Nations was founded. NATO was set up with different assumptions and more limited objectives.

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